Part 2

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Dave: We were talking about that mind/body connection here. Do you honestly believe that cancer is not only a disease of the body but indeed the mind can help accelerate its progress?
Dr. Buttar: I want you to understand one thing about me and this is important for the people who are listening. I don’t have opinions. Many, many times, I have actually caused my own peer group to become alienated. They don’t like what I’ve said. I have a tremendous ego but when it comes to patient response or patient result, I have zero ego. I don’t express my opinions. I only state what I have seen on a consistent, repetitive basis, observation.
Five years ago, eight years ago if you’d asked me this, I would have said maybe the mind has something to do with it. Ten years ago if you’d asked me I would have said the mind has nothing to do with it. Today, I will tell you that the mind has everything to do with it. Why? Because in my observation, the more patients I’ve seen, I’ve seen that component.
We haven’t been successful with all of our patients. Obviously, many of the patients we get are already stage four cancer. They’ve already gone through chemo, radiation, and they’re so far gone that there is very little we can do. We have been successful in helping even some of those patients, but the longer the person waits and the more problems they have, when person comes in and cancer isn’t their primary issue anymore but their kidneys are failing, their lungs or liver are failing, then it becomes even more difficult.
The reason I brought that up is because obviously we’ve had patients that we haven’t been successful in keeping alive. We had two patients that ended up passing on. Most of the time that this happens, you assume that it was the cancer. But the families agreed to do an autopsy. For me personally, it didn’t make sense why these patients died because from our assessment, they had a complete, clean bill of health. There was no cancer left in their body yet they still died and nobody knew why they died.
Two families agreed to do autopsies because there is a cost incurred and most families don’t want to incur that cost. These two families agreed. They got the autopsies. For both patients, no trace of cancer anywhere in their body, none, but they died exactly when their oncologists said they would die. That’s what their mind believed.
I’ve had four patients, and we talk about this in our cancer DVD, the “Cancer: The Untold Truth”. We’ve had four patients that have gone through our treatment. Again, we believe they had no trace of cancer. We did our assessments showing no trace of cancer. They were doing fantastic, and yet
they still died. They didn’t die from the cancer. One died in a car wreck. One died from a heart attack. One died of a pulmonary emboli.
The point I’m making there is that no matter how good the doctor is, or how good the will of the patient is, or how much the patient or the family of the patient wants them to live and do the right thing – I tell all my patients this. If God wants you, if your mission on this planet has been done, if you have completed what you were meant to when you came into this realm, there is nothing that anybody is going to be able to do to prevent that.
However, my goal as a doctor is that if God wants you, there must be a different exit strategy. It won’t be the cancer. That’s the best that I can offer. We have been able to see that. That person’s life, whatever they were supposed to have done was done and they went. They didn’t go from the cancer. I could look at myself in the mirror and say I did 110% what I was supposed to and what I could and that’s the best that I can offer anybody.
Dave: That’s absolutely fascinating. I’m glad you shared that with us. In the past, it’s well known that chemotherapy not only destroys cancer cells but also healthy cells. This has probably been a concern for a lot of patients.
I had an opportunity to watch a video on your website. I want you to talk about that if you feel comfortable doing so. The female patient that you were working with went through some amazing results over a three to four-year period. She mentioned that her cells felt better than ever before. Would you talk about that for a little bit?
Dr. Buttar: It’s kind of strange how things happen in life. That patient is actually an oncological nurse. She spent forty years as an oncological nurse, a nurse that just dealt with cancer patients. She ended up getting cancer herself.
She was talking specifically about the response – as you recall I mentioned our parameters that we use to assess improvement, and whether a person has cancer or not. We look at certain types of immune responses the person is having. We look at natural killer cells, at the lymphocyte population which is the population of specific types of white blood cells. We look at apoptosis, which is programmed cellular suicide. I can explain that for your listeners if you don’t think they may know that. We go into a lot of detail in our DVD, the “Know Your Options” medical series. It explains a lot of these things and how the blood work is assessed, and what the numbers mean.
Specifically, there are four things we look at and that’s cell cycle, apoptosis, lymphocyte population, and natural killer cells. Without going into too much detail, these are basic direct or indirect measurements of the immune system.

In a conventional oncological approach, nobody looks at that. In fact, I’ve even had patients tell me that when they talked to their doctor about the natural killer cells, the doctors look at them and say, “What role does that have to do with your cancer?” To me, that’s like being hit in the head with a baseball bat. When a doctor that specializes in cancer says what role does your natural killer cells have in your cancer, that’s your immune system. You can’t get cancer unless your immune system is damaged.
What she was talking about in those videos was that her parameters that we were monitoring, she started seeing those changes. As we would do the testing, we would show it to her and she started seeing those changes herself. Did you notice when you were watching the video the difference in her face?
Dave: Absolutely, her whole body was changing, her whole disposition.
Dr. Buttar: Exactly, but the color of her face – she looked like death warmed over when she first came in 2003 or 2004. A year and a half later – she was given six months to live. You understand that in that video she had already had cancer, had chemo, had radiation, and it had gone into remission. Then the cancer came back and that was when she was given six months to live.
The first segment you see in there, that is after the second bout of cancer hit her and there was nothing more left. You can see how far she had gone. She was given six months to live at that point and the second part of the video you see is a year and a half after that initial point, after the point where she’d been given six months to live.
That physical transformation that you’re talking about shows the system is being enhanced to a point where it’s now able to live again. It is no longer in a mode of survival. It is actually now thriving. Those blood parameters you asked me about that she mentions in the video – what you were able to see visually is a manifestation of the change in that blood work. Does that make sense?
Dave: Absolutely, and we’ll be sure to give that website address to our listeners at the end of the interview. We want to make sure you have a chance to see that as well, too.
We’ve had many of our listeners asking about alternative methods. What are your beliefs on meditation, stress management, self hypnosis during and after treatment? What are your thoughts about that?
Dr. Buttar: That goes into the fifth toxicity and the seventh toxicity. I will give you a website that will have videos that people can watch, twenty minutes each, nine different videos. It doesn’t cost anybody a single dime. The only thing we ask is if you
find it to be powerful, for you to pass it on to other people who may benefit from it.
I could talk about that question, literally, for hours upon hours and probably days upon days. That fifth toxicity, the emotional/psychological component and the seventh toxicity, which is the spiritual component – all these seven toxicities must be addressed in order for a person to be able to reverse a chronic disease, especially cancer.
Meditation has a component in there that helps not only with the fifth toxicity, that emotional/psychological and the seventh toxicity, the spiritual, but also deals with certain components of the physiological responses the body needs. It means a down regulation. Think of a car again with the engine. It’s down regulating that idle. It’s letting the engine rev at a lower speed. It helps to allow the physiology to become conducive to the innate healing abilities within the body.
What I mean by that is somebody may be listening to that and saying, “What the heck does me mean by that?” If you’re in a state of stress, your peripheral vascular system, your blood supply system, the vessels are constricted and you’re hypertensive. Your body’s blood pressure is going up. You’re not in a mode that allows for profusion, meaning the blood flow to go into the tissues and get to work and do its job.
Remember, blood is taking nutrients to the cell and carrying waste products away from the cells. If you’re tensed up and you’re tight, think of the blood vessel as a highway and the highway is narrower. It takes more effort of the heart to push that blood through that highway and through that vascular system that is constricted, into the tissue, in order for it to do its job.
Now, if you’re meditating and you’re relaxing, those highways open up. The vessels open up. There is vasodilation. The muscles are no longer constricted and constrained and contracted. They’re relaxed and open so the blood can profuse through that tissue better and supply the nutrients better and pick up the waste product better and more efficiently.
When people say, “Meditation has nothing to do with this,” and I’ve heard many doctors give lip service to that mind/body connection. Meditation is crucial. It is crucial to help down regulate the system and to allow the system to start operating from a basis of actually doing what the system was designed to do, as opposed to creating an issue, creating more barriers, creating more blocks to prevent the body from healing itself.
Dave: When the patients are done with treatments at the clinic, do you have a follow up process with them? Do they come back every few months? Are you on the phone with them? What do you usually do once they’ve left the clinic?
Dr. Buttar: The process of healing is a continuous process. Once we’ve got them to a certain point, the blood work shows, and our assessments show that they’re in control and the cancer is no longer in control of the system, then we downgrade the frequency of the treatments they’re getting. Most of these treatments are all around the detoxification process and the immune enhancement process.
What’s important to remember is that some of these toxicities took literally ten, twenty, thirty years to accumulate so there is an ongoing process. They’ll go from the initial part, which is five days a week for so many weeks, depending on whether they’ve had chemo and radiation. Then they’ll go down to three days a week, and then down to two days a week, then once a week, then once every two weeks. Eventually, we get to the point where they’re coming once every three months, then once every six months, and then once a year. That’s usually just for a follow up.
The maintenance treatments they can do at other places. We have doctors we’ve trained all over the world and we’ve got doctors who have come through our training programs. We find the right doctor for them to continue maintaining their “oil changes.” Think of it as an oil change on a car. It’s kind of like saying, “I had an oil change once in my car, and then 25,000 miles later my engine blew.” That’s how people think of treating cancer.
It doesn’t work that way. You need to do certain thing to prevent the accumulation of those toxins, like removal of heavy metals, removal of persistent organic pollutants. That should be done on a regular, consistent basis.
I’m forty-three years old. I’ve never had cancer, thank God. I don’t ever plan on having cancer, but I’ve been doing the same treatments in myself since the age of thirty two. For eleven years I’ve been doing these treatments on myself, as a preventative. Some of those components that we start off initially, with the cancer, to treat the patient that is suffering from cancer, those components will continue long after the cancer is no longer an issue. Does that make sense?
Dave: Absolutely, with all the doctors and clinicians that people will be going to throughout their treatments, certainly there has to be some kind of rapport. What do you think are the most important qualities of an oncologist and other experts that cancer patients are seeking?
Dr. Buttar: That’s a very powerful question. I’ve never been asked that before and it’s an excellent question. This is how I would answer that question. No matter who
you’re talking to, every one of us on this planet has what I call a “BS meter.” That BS meter is very sensitive. Some of us tend to ignore it more than others but we all have it. We all know what the truth is because it resonates with us and we all know what something false is.
I would say that if you’re going to talk to somebody as an expert, no matter what their credentials are, pay attention to that BS meter. If that BS meter never fluctuates even an iota, but it’s perfectly still, then you know that what you’re hearing is the truth. If it is all over the place, and you have any sense that what the person is saying doesn’t resonate with you, you need to go out and find a different person to guide you, a different doctor.
I really believe this because even when I have new patients coming to me, I tell them, “Whatever you choose is the right decision for you. If you never see me again, that is the right decision. Never question that. Whatever your heart tells you, listen to your heart. That’s God speaking to us. That’s the universal consciousness.” That’s what I believe.
I think a person really needs to pay attention to how their response is to what they’re hearing, and if it makes sense, if it resonates, if the truth syncs to their heart, that is the person you need to go with. There is no better way. I could give you many different criteria. That’s all BS. It all comes down to what you feel. What feels right?
Dave: Absolutely, there is no perfect solution. There is no perfect treatment. There is only the right treatment for you. Everybody is different and when you know in your gut, when you know that there is a factor of trust, when there is a factor of care, then you know you’re at the right place.
Dr. Buttar: Absolutely, and here is the thing, too; one of the things for me as a physician and I think this is a concern that has become very prominent in my mind a number of years ago is you have to understand that when a patient comes to a doctor there are certain obligations that a doctor has, a fiduciary relationship to the patient. Unfortunately, that’s where the medical ethics program comes in, the informed consent aspect.
I think the entire medical profession has lost their gourd because they’re talking about informed consent and how important that is from an ethics consideration, yet they don’t tell patients that they need to get the detoxification. They don’t talk about heavy metal toxicity. They don’t talk about persistent organic pollutants. Yet, they think that by telling a person that you have this option, this option, this option, the three different types of surgical options, and the two different types of medical therapeutics options, but they don’t talk about all the detoxification. They’ve failed in that informed consent, first of all. I wanted to kind of throw that
out there because it’s a terrible thing that we, as a medical profession, have done.
When a patient comes and the patient hasn’t made the decision yet, they’re coming to me for a second opinion, I don’t want to tell that patient “This is the only answer.” If the patient doesn’t go through my treatment – let’s just use heart disease as an example.
I say, “You need to do heavy metal detoxification. You need to get chelation therapy,” and the patient decides that they don’t want to go through that route but they’re going to go through the bypass, right before the anesthesiologist induces them and puts them to sleep before the cardiovascular surgeon opens up their chest and does their work on their heart, what do you think the last thing that person is going to be conscious of before the anesthesiologist puts them to sleep?
If I, as a doctor told the patient “You need to get chelation” and the patient choose to go to get the bypass, the last thing he’s going to think before the anesthesiologist puts them to sleep is “That other doctor told me I should get chelation. Maybe that was the right choice.” I never want to put that doubt in a person’s mind.
I never tell a patient what to do. I answer all their questions that they have when they come to me. Once the patient has told me, “This is what I want,” and I make it tough on the patient to make sure before they decide. I want them to really be sure. They’re coming to me; I’m the general that’s going to lead this battle. They’re coming to me saying they have a battle and they want me to win the fight.
I need to make sure; is that army that I’m going to lead into battle willing to do what is going to be necessary to win? I don’t want to go into a losing battle. Once the patient has convinced me that they’re the right patient and they feel I’m the right general to lead them into this battle, then I will tell them what they should do. I’ve very adamant and I’ll help them because they have now decided this is the route they want to go.
Until the patient has made that decision, I can’t ethically – and I don’t mean medical ethics. I mean just looking at myself in the mirror ethics – cant’ tell them to do this treatment versus that treatment because they haven’t made that decision. I don’t want to have that burden that in their mind they may think, “Maybe the choice that I didn’t make, maybe that was the right choice.” This goes back to what you just said; every person, every treatment, whatever a person chooses to do is the right treatment for them and it’s important for them to realize that.
I don’t want to be the one who’s guiding them into making the wrong decision or right decision. For that person, maybe they’ll have the bypass and never have another problem. Generally speaking, that’s not the case, but the point is; it could be the right answer for them.
It’s very important for a patient to realize that the number one person who is responsible for your health is you. You have to be proactive and doing the right things in order to get yourself and keep yourself healthy. No matter how good the doctor is, it’s not the doctor’s responsibility.
I tell patients “What are you willing to put forth to get better?” If a patient says 70% and the doctor responds with “Hey, I’ll give you 70%,” the patient is not going to want that. The patient will say, “Wait a second; I want 100%.” You have to give 100% first. If you give 100%, your doctor will give you 100%. You, as a patient, you give 100% and your mindset is right, and you make whatever decision you have made and you’re sure that’s the way you want to go, that is the right decision. Go forward and don’t hesitate. Don’t hem and haw. It’s like passing an eighteen wheeler. You don’t hesitate once you start passing it. Once you make the decision to pass, you push on the accelerator and go all the way. That’s what I think people need to remember.
With cancer, you’re dealing with that type of a situation. You’re passing an eighteen wheeler. You need to make the decision and be committed to that decision and go full forward. Always listen to your heart because that is the guide that gives you the truth, guiding you on the right path versus keeping you on the wrong path.